15 replies to this topic

[MacTK]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before but i can't find anyting.  Anyway if it HASN'T then in absolutely certainly needs to be, IMO not only mentioned but Implemented.

 

members that leave a studio SHOULD be penalized and be unable to join another studio for a specific time period - a week for example.

 

Unless the member is actually removed by the studio boss.  It's hard to build and maintain a studio as those who have done so will agree.   There isn't anything more frustrating then when someone suddenly leaves and joins another studio. 

 

usually they go to one of the top 10 studios and peg the up and coming studios back.  It quite frankly ruins the "game" and continues to keep the strong getting stronger. 

 

As a studio boss, i have absolutely no probably with members wanting to join another studio for whatever reason, but leaving without notice really riles me up.  maybe these people just don't have the basic social skills to appreciate common courtesy and show a little respect! 

 

Penalizing them would make them choose studios more carefully or force them to ask the studio boss to kindly remove them from the studio. 

[Cheyenne]

Tnx for the suggestion!

[BaritoBoy]

I watched one member change studios 8 times in a week only to eventually form their own...
The impact to the studios would have been felt by at least one of those 8...
Although as a player, you want to be in a team you gel with really don't you.
It can take some searching before that team appears...
Should that be something one is penalised for?

Perhaps as a young studio, If it is expanded and,
a player joins and leaves within 48 hours of expanding,
then an option to reclaim the expense by an undo of the expansion could be a solution.

[Norsha]

There has been a lot of talk about this topic in the German Forum. There is a genaral problem with players hopping from one studio to another and there also is a problem with stuidos throwing out members right before a battle with an other studio, just to make sure, that will loose the battle in order to get rid of a trophy, they don't want and reinviting the same players right after the battle. Both are worth sanctionizing and both should have a penalty.

But there is a problem to the whole situation, that penalties will automatically hit fresh players, who simply press a button to early before they understood what they were good for. A rookie might leave a studio without really wanting it and would have to his penalty before he could rejoin the same studio again. A rookie boss might accidentally exclude players from his studio and it depends on the programming, but it is quite likely that thos plaers would have a penalty, too. Another point, is that it makes it harder for less successful studios to merge into one, if you put penalties on people who left their studios, the players leaving one studio with the wish to merge with an other studio will have a penalty.

 

As much as I would like to see sanctions and penalties, there are a whole lot of circimstances that would just hit the wrong people. Of course, it is just a matter of programming but i fear that in the end, there are going to be a whole lot of support tickets from players who will try to somehow get away from the penalty, by claiming that their exculsion/ leaving was just an accident and not intended and then we have a problem with proving who is telling the truth and who is not.

[BaritoBoy]

So the challenge becomes how to implement it without impacting on the wrong players...

 

And how to stop players from leaving and rejoining studios to throw the results of studio fights - that sounds like cheating to me...

 

How about this...

 

(1) If a player is in a studio and either leaves or is booted from the studio, that player may not rejoin the same studio for 10 days.

 

(2) If a player leaves or is booted from a studio, the player is able to rejoin another studio but incurs one stack of movement penalty on leaving. These movement penalties reduce by 1 stack every 10 days, but each time the player moves/leaves studios another stack is applied to the character.

For each stack there is a 10% penalty to base skill points applied to the character. (same way a trophy does in studio fights)

 

This way a player who moves studios 10 times within 10 days will have Base stats of 0

Edited by BaritoBoy, 28 February 2016 - 19:45 PM.

[Norsha]

I guess there are some who would call it cheating, but there are also people calling it "tactics" to boot players from the studio and to reinvite them after a fight again. I heard this "tactic" is quite common among the top studios of german servers. I don't know about the uk servers though.

 

Again, if a player cannot rejoin a studio after being excluded (or leaving) accidentally for 10 days, it impacts the wrong player and possibly the wrong studio, because this usually happens to inexperienced players and studios.The same goes for the movement stack, because especially in studios that have an inexpirienced leader or take in inexpirienced players, every point in a stat is needed to win in a studio fight. If you put a penalty onto them it just impacts the wrong players.

 

I don't thinks there is actually a perfect solution on how to solve this problem in general,if you want to include penalties, My approach would be different. Since players usually leave one studio to join another studio with better bonuses, This should be a good point to work on.

If you work on a personal studio bonus system of which players benefit, who stay in the same studio over a long peroid of time, this would probably work against studio hopping as well as certain "tactics" in studio fights. If you have been in a studio for a couple of months and your personal studio bonus is high enough, it is probably not the best decision to leave for a different studio just because it has better bonuses than yours. Your personal studio bonus would start from 0 again. Additionally, studios who use special tactics in studio fights would weaken themselves. Booted an reinvited players would take ages until they had their old bonuses back and the chance is quite high to loose more fights until then.

Edited by Norsha, 28 February 2016 - 22:18 PM.

[Garm]

Maybe we only need an extra character stat that shows studio joins/quits/boots so when the hoppers apply,  the studio can choose whether or not to accept that particular player.... frustrating when they join for less that a day then leave

[MacTK]

i suppose if it doesn't benefit the "top" studios in any way then it won't become part of the game.  Placing a penalty on members who leave WILL affect the top studios because that is ultimately where they go to.  At the very least it will force the member to ask the boss to remove them making things a bit more civilized.

[IceyAngels]

Although I completely understand where you are coming from Mactk, here is a scenario:

 

I joined a studio for 3 months and contributed my diamonds to help build it.  At the 3 month mark, I was a very high rank stat player.  I got an invite by a top gang.  Before leaving I discussed my gang leader's intentions, he didn't want to look at being number 1.  So because I left, I should be penalized days from joining a more active gang?  In this case, I would disagree with you.

 

Maybe if you want, make it that they don't get the attributes or something from the gang for a time frame.  But it sure wouldn't have been fair to me for my reasons in leaving.

[AngelicaSynn]

My opinion... perhaps the way it is now is for the best.

 

When you leave or are booted from a studio, there is no issue with immediately joining another studio, but for the first 24 hours after joining, one cannot participate in fights for that studio... that prevents 'hopping' to an rival to influence a fight already set...

 

Studio 'hoppers' get a reputation among studio bosses, and eventually end up 'frozen out' by most reputable studios, have to start their own, and learn why 'hoppers' are not appreciated...

 

Perhaps what is needed is a list of 'serial hoppers', maybe accessible to studio bosses only... if you join more than 4 studios in a month, you're automatically added to the list... just a thought...

Edited by AngelicaSynn, 01 March 2016 - 15:27 PM.

[BaritoBoy]

I don't know - the discovery that there are studios using (some would say exploiting)

the way the game is now to throw fights to drop trophies just doesn't sit well with me at all.

 

I am certain it was not what the developers had in mind when they built the game.

 

Something should really be done about it.

[Becky Lynch]

I honestly don't ever see this game or any other ever taking away a players free will. At the end of the day this is just a game and each individual should play it the way they choose to and where they choose to. That's just my personal thoughts on the topic.

 

 

Manipulation of trophies has been around as a strategy since before the creation of BBE. Hero Zero teams have perfected that strategy and it's just been brought over to BBE.  

[Fingerman]

MacTK. With respect, you have to acknowledge that you built your studio 9 months ago and your studio is just 47% expanded. Active players are going to go to studios that help their characters grow faster. It is an active player's nature.

 

Currently, there is a whole handful of ex-top 10 studios that are above 90% expanded that would help you and your players grow faster, attract players, and keep your actives ones. But expecting "loyalty" from your players while your studio is under performing is not a just reason to punish "hoppers" who are trying to personally grow their pornstar and meet new people. 

[SindyXtreme]

I don't think that players who choose to join another studio should be penalised as long as it's not on a regular basis and not all players can afford to upgrade their studios as quickly as some.

 

I am very proud of all of my members who have stuck by me and my studio and as I am the only one who purchases diamonds to upgrade the studio (not that I'm complaining) it will be a slower haul and I am sure that my studio members respect that.

 

Thank you guys.

 

You all know who you are.

[Needhelp247]

If having better stats is the reason for going to another studio why not have an incremental stats increase where the longer you stay in a studio the higher the increase becomes? Maybe capping off at 25-30% after half a year?

[scurrvy]

indeed. people looking / offered better boosts should not be punished.

and as said previously, people will always game the system, new or old.

giving incentives to stay is nice, but i'm worried how the boosts would stack abnormally high, especially for multi-accounts who all only stay in one studio for long periods =S. sorry if i misunderstood the original meaning. i just dislike it when people micromanage incentives in games.

 

both low and max expanded studios have issues with hopping mostly because it effects their 'studio fight' consistency.

 

to encourage growth while discouraging senseless hopping, how about a baseball '3 strike' system?

1st strike: 1 free move, no penalty, +24 hours cooldown strike regen, (introduction tutorial)

2nd strike: -2% skill point penalty, +24 hour cooldown strike regen

3rd strike: -5% skill point penalty, +24 hour cooldown strike regen

further strikes refreshes 72 hour cooldown

 

these small percentages shouldn't hurt newcomers very badly, but will noticeably impact the competitive higher levels who seek to sabotage studio fights. and people would better consider not leaving one studio after being recruited for another comparatively similar expanded studio +/-1% when offered.

 

i don't think 'Kicks' should count as strikes to avoid abuse. and if it did, the Studio leadership and members were both already in on 'match fixing' like our current situation. but i guess one fix for the german match fixing (hehe FIFA) would be to not allow users to rejoin the same studio 3-5 times in a row. and it gets harder/messy when a sister studio is involved.

 

i say senseless hopping because there are cases where people feel like they're being outcasted but stay too short a time for both parties to get acquainted

 

unrelated-ish sidenotes:

i wished there were a way to curb one man studios, but people are entitled freedom after all~

 

another hopping reason i've seen is when people prematurely join a studio without seeing / agreeing to in house rules.

i'd like to suggest a Global BBE irc channel where ppl can recruit LIVE. and as the recruiting irc channel matures, good recruiting practices would appear standard / normal.

 

very efficient on those german servers. in the uk servers i've seen top studios' avatars go 'clothless' to reduce skill points to lose studio fights. inefficient personal glory loss

 

sorry if i was too long winded.

and forgive me great Kate if i've gone off topic. glad to see you came back. #LongTimeLurker

 

TLDR; its just a game -RR

Edited by scurrvy, 26 May 2016 - 11:00 AM.