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#1 john1851

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 13:39 PM

lets chat about the game was a time it was so much fun , lets look at things the sex shop total wast of time is you find a item you like it takes away more skills then you get from it sure one skill goes up but you drop in two of them , next film trophies good no now it has tuned in to attacking studios to drop a film trophie

20% skill drop . and if you look around so many players are dropping out may be why tarabing  is tired of the game to , bbe may want to think of some ways to bring fun back before it just fades away . just my thoughts , thanks for your time reading this post have fun if you can .


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 15:38 PM

I think some of your criticisms are unfair.

 

Sex Shop: It's not for players who have been in the game for a while. Beginners love it, old-timers don't get much out of it. That is the nature of almost any equipment shop, in any game. You can find patterns, but very quickly, it is not the place to go to power up your character.  After all, if all you have to do is buy better gear without playing for it, power creep is all there is to the game.

 

Movie Trophies: The good and bad of movie trophies has been dealt with extensively elsewhere. I will say that after the bias has been removed from the Big Bang Awards, I think movie trophies are much improved over their initial implementation. I freely admit, both my studios are strong enough to hold movie trophies, so I like them. Gaining that strength has not been accidental, though - and the high studio fight penalties allow a lot of studios the opportunity to beat us if they want to.

 

Players Leaving: It may come as a surprise to you, but people leave the game all the time, for a variety of reasons. (Nor is this unique to Big Bang Empire.) These things tend to go in waves. A studio may be hit with a succession of retirements... and for the remaining members of that studio, the sky is falling, but that is just part of any social game. It is true that some servers are not gaining new players fast enough to compensate.. and on those servers, the view of the overall health of the game can be discouraging. But other servers are quite healthy... so where you are matters a lot to whether you see doom and gloom, or a bright competitive game.


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#3 john1851

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Posted 08 January 2018 - 17:38 PM

well cap sure the top 2 studios can have all the trophies they want lets look at the spot were in # 3 studio the only spot that is really open to grab , so you think its a good thing that lower studios can pick up the film trophies and just attack us so they can get rid of it . the trophies are for awards for winning studio fights not just to lose a fight to git rid of it to make a studio weaker so you can move in . we can  have arguments about this all day but what i am saying is the true facts film trophies are the worst thing to have . 


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 18:16 PM

just one more thing no team can ever take on the top 2 and have a chance to win even if they have  5 film trophies so they are really not even on the board to try to take on . 

and the sex shop i don't care about getting skill points from it just would like to have some items to put on with out messing up skills .


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 18:21 PM

ok that felt good now have a good day cap.    you say what you think and ill do the same . 

 

that is how the government works  i'm wrong your right , i'm right your wrong .


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 21:07 PM

what is the point in having the sex shop if its only good for new players? i reckon most of us only buy missiles from there anyway



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 21:24 PM

I do not share your opinion that trophies are rewards for winning fights. Trophies are a means to gain skills faster. You win studio fights not to get a permanent reward, but to get an *opportunity* to improve yourself.

 

Nobody makes you take movie trophies. If you don't want them because you will lose your next fight, then don't take them. I think that is a horrible mistake, because that will signal to smart players that your studio has stopped optimizing, and those smart players will go elsewhere. Then your studio is on the wrong end of the social mechanics, as well as the game mechanics. At the end of the day, recruiting and keeping active players is more important than trophy count or current glory total.

 

The situation on UK1 has been similar to what you describe. I sympathize... Being a distant #3 SUCKS. Yet my #3 studio has recently begun winning most fights against the #2 studio. We have stayed active and patient, winning temples and holding trophies designed for optimal farming advantage, not caring much about studio glory. We were thus in position to take advantage when the #2 studio lost a few key players due to retirement.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 21:28 PM

what is the point in having the sex shop if its only good for new players? i reckon most of us only buy missiles from there anyway

 

I think you answered your own question. I use the sex shop for missiles, new patterns and to gain achievements. I rarely find equipment with an overall plus skills, but I do not complain at all about the lack of good equipment. Gear shops CAN'T be a primary way to gain strength in any game, or it's not a game. It's just a buying frenzy.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 21:46 PM

ok tell me how to not take the trophies we have no choice if they cant win we git it .


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 22:19 PM

I think you answered your own question. I use the sex shop for missiles, new patterns and to gain achievements. I rarely find equipment with an overall plus skills, but I do not complain at all about the lack of good equipment. Gear shops CAN'T be a primary way to gain strength in any game, or it's not a game. It's just a buying frenzy.

 

lets just have a sex shop to buy missiles! its a waste of time having the sex shop if there is only 1 missile in it and nothing else worth the time of day. then again the game is getting to be a waste of time anyway



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Posted 08 January 2018 - 22:43 PM

I never buy missiles so sex shop is useless.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 22:44 PM

ok tell me how to not take the trophies we have no choice if they cant win we git it .

 

Who is attacking who?  

I assumed you were attacking studios that had movie trophies. If that is the case, and you don't want the trophy, attack someone else.

 

If they are attacking you, to dump their trophy, then either 'go naked' and let them beat you, or take the trophy with a thank you and make an extra film until someone takes it away.

 

If they are attacking you to dump the trophy, then attacking a day or two later to take it back, well... welcome to the ladder. The other studio is taking advantage of ladder position and trophy penalties to gain glory against you. I heartily approve of this strategy, by the way... my Nutaku studio did a lot of this. Losing to a studio above you costs very little glory, but beating that studio gains a ton of glory.  If this is the case, you have two choices: 1) Let the other studio beat you on purpose. They will probably be fine with that, they get the best of both worlds: big glory gains AND they get to keep the trophy for farming gains. 2) Farm the heck out of the trophies they are giving you, hopefully gaining strength compared to the other studio. Eventually (and it might be a long time) you will be strong enough to beat them despite trophy disadvantage.


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 22:51 PM

I still quite like the sex shop, every so often a item appears there that I do not have in my collection, the skills on it does not matter, as you can use it for a whipstitch pattern, if the game starts to take out all the things that people do not like, then there would be nothing left, if there is something people do not like then do not use it, I think maybe adding some extras to the game to pass the time whilst missions are would be a better option


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Posted 08 January 2018 - 23:01 PM

I never buy missiles so sex shop is useless.

 

...and some people don't duel, and some people don't do parties, and some people don't make movies, and some people don't do dickstarters, and some people would rather chop off body parts than do conventions, and some studios never put in a challenge, and some studios don't try in temples, and on and on... *shrug* Should we get rid of all those features?

 

Clearly not. Those features are used by at least some subset of the players. Just as the sex shop serves several purposes, for some people. Sorry that is not you.

 

If someone makes a specific proposal about improving the sex shop, I will happily pass that along. 'The items are no good" is not likely to be a helpful suggestion, however. How would the shop have to be improved for a more enjoyable shopping experience, that would not imbalance things?


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 00:58 AM

The Sex shop would be a greater thing if it sold items that were epic for coins, instead of diamonds. A lot of coins for all I care, just not diamonds, and if they turned up with a greater frequency that would make the place a bit more useful too. Gold framed epics appearing in the shop for diamonds would be a nice thing to see too. I think the point is to make the shop more relevant to players throughout the characters evolution, it needs to offer items of benefit to the player.

Since everyone is already only using it for missiles (mostly) why not have 2 of the slots assigned for missiles, one for common, the other for rare, and occasionally epic (I don't mind that rare/epic missiles are for diamonds - it maintains game balance) 

Trophies are great, but there should be more of them so most teams have one each and as teams gain in strength they can hold more than one, the competition for trophies at the frequency they have currently is a little mundane.

Kudos for John bringing this into discussion, there is definitely room for improvement in this area.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:10 AM

that would help in the sex shop big bad wolf anything that makes it useful


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:24 AM

on the trophies no cap when we attack a studio with a trophies sure we plan on getting a trophy , this is about trying to dump one . we have used this to but first a pm is sent to that studio to ask if it's ok . if they do  not wont it then we will not attack them . really was just a thought i had no big deal just a little frustrating . if this happen only a time or to that's fine but it happens a lot to us .


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:31 AM

Theres an ability to dump a trophy with studio diamonds recently implemented, perhaps expanding on this to be able to "Sell" a trophy to another studio would be worth considering



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 16:08 PM

so you think its a good thing that lower studios can pick up the film trophies and just attack us so they can get rid of it . the trophies are for awards for winning studio fights not just to lose a fight to git rid of it to make a studio weaker so you can move in .


Not sure about others, but when we attacked you yesterday, we genuinely wanted to win. We expected to lose our own trophy in the fight beforehand and then there was hope that we would be able to replace it with one of your trophies. But it didn’t work out, because even tough we lost the first fight, they didn’t take our trophy. They already had four and couldn’t hold a fifth one due to not being fully expanded. I heard about this before, but it’s different to hear something and to experience it, so I didn’t realize the possibility of this happening. Now we’re all a little wiser again. :)

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 18:21 PM

and some people would rather chop off body parts than do conventions, 

 

 

Preferably not my own but I sort of resemble that remark.

 

At a certain point, it's not even a big deal if a new item has an overall plus. The refinement is what matters to me. I've had the same 30% porn sticker ring for like 80 levels on one star. I hopefully won't screw up and sell it accidentally before I can roll another. A lesser refine for that isn't an option in the studio that star is in. If we're going to talk about improving the shop, I would rather see the better refines be either less costly or remove or improve the RNG behind it. Like others have said, I use it mostly for patterns I am missing. You can collect missiles from parties and film shoots so I try to do that when possible. Sometimes the 9D missiles have a better +missile rating though, so in that case, it's worth it.

Overall fun in the game? If you aren't having fun, give it a rest a while. Just remember you have about 100 days before your star is deleted (I actually wish there was a feature where you could check a button for extended absence and it would save you for like a year)

Not every studio is going to be top 5 competative. Not every one even wants to be. Not every player wants to be in a studio and not everyone that is in a studio cares very much how well they contribute to it.


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