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#1 elowyn

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 11:42 AM

Is it just me or has the temple reset not only not happened but also gone screwy?

Last weeks studio totals havent been reset to zero and my own tally of 2k was reduced to 1010.

 

If the scores are no longer being reset then nobody will bother with the temple as the top 4 would continue to be unassailable.

​On that note can some form of temporary illegibility be applied to the top 3 teams from each week from competing in the following weeks tasks for position. The achievement is for WINNING the task several times yet with the top 4 teams being able to spend a load of diamonds on the situaation and being incredibly active, it gives nobody else a lookin at the award.

​I like that any team that does the tasks now get diamond and skill rewards but as it stands it is unfairly balanced towards the top teams.

 

Thats my tuppence worth :)


Edited by elowyn, 01 December 2016 - 11:42 AM.


#2 Analis

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 14:07 PM

yet with the top 4 teams being able to spend a load of diamonds on the situaation and being incredibly active, it gives nobody else a lookin at the award.

 

You do know the last Temple challenge was "time mission", right?

There has been ONE temple so far where diamond-spending spoiled the fun (conventions).

As for having to be temporarily disqualified due to being "incredibly active"... Seriously?


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#3 Gigi71

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 14:36 PM

It is my understanding that the main purpose of the Temple Run is to ENCOURAGE studios to become MORE active. If they penalize studios for being active and winning, that would defeat the purpose.

The top studios are at the top due to things like being active, spending diamonds, strategy and generally working hard to find active players who will contribute to the studio. Top studios have to go beyond just playing the game. They must encourage their players to be more active, read the forums a lot, establish requirements and make good use of the chat room.

So what I am saying is, being at the top isn't "fair" or equal and it requires time and effort. There should be benefits and rewards for hard work.

Edited by Gigi71, 01 December 2016 - 14:41 PM.

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#4 elowyn

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 16:22 PM

I wasnt trying to disparage the top teams that wasnt the intention. Id cobbled together several things under the 1 heading which was my bad i admit.
 

I am not saying that they should be "banned" from competing simply a temporary 1 week after being in the top 3 to encourage other studios to be able to get a shot at that title.

 

There has been a "beat others up" temple run where tossing diamonds at it mosty certainly would help.

 

Regardless the main issue is that if the temple points are going to carry over from week to week it will just become another rankiing list where the top 3 teams will remain the top 3 teams even to teh point of them ALL taking a month out from doing any runs without risking their spots.

 

Encouraging players to be active is all well and good if by beiing active it can make a difference. Weekly reset of the temple points would help this.
​I accept it might have just been a glitch this week but if not it will certainly put others off from bothering with it.

 

You both being in the top studios are above the point where it will adversely affect you lol

 

rant over :)



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Posted 01 December 2016 - 16:50 PM

*takes off moderator hat*

 

Top teams in this game are top teams because of activity and longevity.  Diamonds really don't get you anything in strength except for the 50% booster.  You can't buy skill points with them, which is the base strength of your character.  

 

All spending diamonds in this game does is shorten your time that you have to be playing it every day, get you refinements or spin your gear to get that perfect skill point allocation that you want.  You COULD use them to buy gear in the store too if you so desired....or renew the offers but none of that really makes you stronger for any amount of time unless you're 250 and up which are the very people you're unhappy with.

 

Why do people think they are entitled to having a trophy or attaining a goal when they have not earned it?

 

As for the points issue...please file a ticket with support for anything of that nature.  


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#6 elowyn

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 17:48 PM

Why do people think they are entitled to having a trophy or attaining a goal when they have not earned it?

 

 

theres a difference between wanting something for nothing and wanting a chance no matter how slim to get it. at the moment its a zero chance option



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Posted 01 December 2016 - 21:24 PM

Please, let's be clear on something ...
My studio hasn't always been a top studio. It started from the bottom in April of this year. I joined in June and we were ranked 27th at that time. How did we finally reach number 11? Hard work, diligence, and an abundance of teamwork. We have had to keep finding new members who will be active (not an easy task mind you). We encourage game play without the use of diamonds. We spend extra time doing some figuring and calculating and strategy ... which has led to both failures and success.

We have been working the entire year for a trophy ... any trophy. So call me crazy, but I think when we finally EARN one to keep for a while, sorry but I don't see any reason why I can't feel a little "entitled".

Why should studios that we have passed and worked hard to win against in duels and studio fights be "entitled" to trophies or temple diamonds and points if they have not done the same as we have done?

Unfortunately, the theory that "everyone gets a trophy" for this generation breeds the entitlement mentality. I'm sorry. However, let's remember; Studios like mine didn't just appear in the top ranks magically and we haven't always been here. We have worked hard for over 8 months to get where we are. We have had a goal and we chased it. We deserve what we get because we have EARNED it.

*and our Temple points have never carried over. We always start the week at ZERO.

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 21:42 PM

hello :)
Yes, it happens on Italian servers


#9 elowyn

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 08:14 AM

*and our Temple points have never carried over. We always start the week at ZERO.

 

 

This was the answer to my original question heh. Up till this week the temple point tally has reset at the beginning, this week it hasn't. You are on UK2 so might not have this issue.



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Posted 02 December 2016 - 08:29 AM

Why do people think they are entitled to having a trophy or attaining a goal when they have not earned it?

 

 

theres a difference between wanting something for nothing and wanting a chance no matter how slim to get it. at the moment its a zero chance option

You have the same opportunity as anyone else.  Surround yourself with people of like minds and ability and you will find yourself where you desire to be.  Whining and complaining won't get it for you.

 

Not everyone gets a trophy in life.

 

Let me be PERFECTLY clear.  Constructive criticism is ALWAYS welcome on this forum.  Whining because you're not in the top spot and they should make it to where you can be rather than you earning it yourself or in this case with your team, will not be.


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Posted 02 December 2016 - 15:11 PM

One last thing ... and then I am done 😬
There was a very simple issue about a concern regarding the rollover of Temple points. Unfortunately it went in a different direction. Another unfortunate aspect of this thread is that this issue of the "fairness" of the temple run, trophies etc. has been brought up before in different threads. I have sat back watching it multiple times. Sorry to say, but this thread was the proverbial "straw that broke the camel's back" and I needed to finally express myself. And honestly, it is a relief to know I am not the only one to feel the way I do. Thank you!😉
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Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:59 PM

some people just dont seem to understand the issue or position others are trying to make so i will try and clarify it a bit more.

​Old system with weekly TP reset:

Team A, established for a while, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

Team B, new kid on the block, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

 

This method BOTH teams have the same shot at jostling for the top spot.

 

New system without TP reset

Team A, established for a while with points carried over, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

Team B, new kid on the block no points gathered yet, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

 

This method the new kids will never make top spot no matter how active they are

 

THIS is the issue I was trying to point out as being unfair.

 

Old system ALL teams can get top spot if they put in the time and effort

New system ONLY established teams at the top will ever get the top positions no matter how much effort the other teams put into the game.

 

NOTE: I am ONLY talking about the temple. The studio rank by reputation is a completely different kettle of fish

 

Hope this helps clear things up



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Posted 05 December 2016 - 15:54 PM

some people just dont seem to understand the issue or position others are trying to make

 

Self-knowledge is the start of all wisdom.

 

 

New system without TP reset

 

It's not a system. That implies it being deliberate.

Your trouble obviously is a BUG - which is what you send a support ticket for.

As Armony stated, it's been noted elsewhere as well. But not everywhere, obviously.

A bug is not a reason to start a rant against people who have actually earned their spots.

 

You need to take this to the developers, not to those who play this game with you. Wrong public. :wink:

 


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 20:17 PM

some people just dont seem to understand the issue or position others are trying to make so i will try and clarify it a bit more.

​Old system with weekly TP reset:

Team A, established for a while, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

Team B, new kid on the block, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

 

This method BOTH teams have the same shot at jostling for the top spot.

 

New system without TP reset

Team A, established for a while with points carried over, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

Team B, new kid on the block no points gathered yet, 30 members ALL active can get the max TP points

 

This method the new kids will never make top spot no matter how active they are

 

THIS is the issue I was trying to point out as being unfair.

 

Old system ALL teams can get top spot if they put in the time and effort

New system ONLY established teams at the top will ever get the top positions no matter how much effort the other teams put into the game.

 

NOTE: I am ONLY talking about the temple. The studio rank by reputation is a completely different kettle of fish

 

Hope this helps clear things up

 

Elowyn, your position was multi-stated in the original post.  The clear position is that it would be "unfair" if Temple Challenge Points did not reset weekly.  I do not play on your server and I haven't seen this happen on UK2 but I would submit a trouble ticket if it was still happening.

 

The other position (stated in the original post) of wanting to prohibit x-amount of the top studios from competing in future Temple Challenges (even for one week) seems like a punitive proposition.  The way I see it, studios are clustered in tiers.  If you are in a TOP 5 studio, you're not duking it out with the studios in the ranks 20 to 25 spots below your studio.  You're battling among the studios of like and similar ranking.  Temple Challenge gave us the illusion that somehow all studios would be on equal footing.  News alert; we are not.  The most active, energy-enriched, and diamond-spending studios will surely prevail as they do in almost all aspects of this game, Temple Challenges included.

 

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  And if you can't join 'em, build a better studio.

 

 

 

Self-knowledge is the start of all wisdom.

 

 

 

While that is true Analis, "the more you know, the more you know you don't know" is also true.

 

 

-TB (flower)

 

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